Sunday, March 26, 2006
Carbon111 on the New Moog
Carbon111 put up a great post on Synthwire on why he sold his old Moogs and why he is looking forward to the new Moog. It's a great read. Trust me, go read it. Title link takes you there.
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I read the post.
ReplyDeleteThe reason his synths are having keyboard problems is because he is using De-oxit on them. Caig products kill synths, in my opinion.
Early Moog service literature first mentioned using one of Caig's products on their key contacts, then later... after they learned what all serious EM techs do eventually... they advised against it.
Key contacts are meant to be clean and dry, not goopy and with collected dust removing their plating. One could just as well have sprayed cooking spray, silicone or WD-40 and received the same results- temporary with greater, lasting damage.
Btw, here's a scan from the service manual for the Micromoog and multimoog.
ReplyDeleteThis manual is over 20 years old.
This stuff should be common knowledge by now, but apparently isn't.
If oily fingerprints are bad for contacts, consider what Caig stuff does.
The more you use it, the more you NEED to use it.
http://www.synthfool.com/moogcaig.gif
Oooh. the more you use, the more you need. You sure this stuff doesn't come from Cambodia?
ReplyDeleteI never said my synths were having "keyboard problems"...just general maintenance - I know what a dirty switch / j-wire sounds like ;)
ReplyDeleteBefore Deoxit, I was using denatured alcohol which worked ok but wasn't as nice. The reason for using Deoxit is that its the only cheap source of Stabillant 22a. Deoxit is not oily or goopy when used correctly - you do not leave it there, its wiped off. I have had none of the problems stated. I have heard of people using WD40 on stuff, but I'm not *that* stupid - its a dust magnet.
No slam James, but possibly you can explain why these contacts, treated so well, are failing then?
ReplyDeleteI don't treat things with that junk and they last for years. You said "every three months"
That's one reason why I can't use the stuff- I put a 3 month warranty on most things. :)
I also see often about others that have to repeatedly use it and same problems- rework a few months later.
And yeah, I know all about stab22, tweak, etc.
It's witch oil.
I've maintained my own gear for *decades* now and know how to properly clean a contact...and to make sure there's no oily residue left behind, acting as a dust magnet.
ReplyDeleteNormally, I'm with Kevin but even his gif of the Moog manual isn't damming in the way he implies.
I never meant I *had* to clean the contacts every three months, thats just how often I did it...I could probably go for a year without but I'm kind of fastidious that way. I kept the "warbleys" at bay for a good ten years thay way with nary any goo and/or dust buildup.
I honestly think this is more about Kevin's dislike of a certain product than anything else. I used to maintain an old S100-bus computer system and Deoxit was the only thing to bring the copper fingers on the edge of old ruined boards back to life - the oxidation would literally disappear. I used a cleaner after that to remove any "residue". This same product has kept most of my electronic contacts nice and clean...its anything but snake-oil.
As with any product, when used incorrectly or by someone with some sort of vendetta, your results may vary.
Honestly...I'm usually on Kevin's side of things but not this time. He's taken *one* of my points and exploded it into the *entire* argument when all I wanted to do was illuminate why a new Moog might be more desirable than an old one.
Ive gone back and edited my post to remove any overstatements or exaggerations on my part and excised any refrences to a particular cleaning product.
ReplyDeleteNow maybe we can focus on the *point* of the post.