Tuesday, January 16, 2007
Producer Timbaland rips song from finnish musician?
YouTube via timbalandrips. Sent my way via JM.
"In 2000 the Finnish demoscene musician Janne Suni (also known as 'Tempest') won the Oldskool Music Competition at the Assembly demoparty with his four-channel Amiga .MOD entitled 'Acid Jazzed Evening.' A Commodore 64 musician called 'grg' remade the song on the C64 (using the infamous SID soundchip); it is this that was stolen."
Synth content: C64 in the original track. Title link takes you to non synth details.
There's more detail in the description of the YouTube video.
Here's the TinyUrl referenced at the end of the video.
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Timbaland is a so bad music producer.
ReplyDeleteNot likes the new french touch.
I dunno.. if this qualifies as plagiarism, so does 103% of all the other shitty pop songs out there.
ReplyDeleteWhy would they contact him?
ReplyDeleteHe needs a lawyer and needs to sue for a hundred kabillion Euros. ya, Euros. That currency brings fear.
If they use more than a few bars
Entertaining that Timbaland is "Timbaland", but Tempest is "finnish musician". :)
ReplyDeleteApparently, in Finland, all musicians somehow just have some vauge nationalistic collective identity.
http://www.myspace.com/timbaland
ReplyDeletepost this video to its myspace "friends" lol
hears a link that has the song in all its versions and a little story to go w/it.
ReplyDeletehttp://timbalandtempest.ytmnd.com/
since the melody is so simple I would be inclined to say big deal. BUT you can hear the actual sample (the C64 stuff) from the original sogn and its 16 bars long!
ReplyDeleteyeah, I don't know why someone is posting this stuff to the general public - we really don't care do we! I would have kept it mum and hired a frikin lawyer. There not just going to magically pay you and give you credit...
ReplyDeletenooooo - some hip hop producer ripped some song off??
ReplyDeleteTHAT IS TOTALLY NEW AND NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE!!
I think what people seem to be missing is that "Tempest" is a regular guy. Yes, hip hop producers sample established artists with releases all the time (artists who can much more easily get royalties), but this is not a released song. I don't think anybody who said 'big deal' would be to happy if "Timbaland" stole their hard work.
ReplyDeleteYou dont need to apply for a copyright. Everything you make is legally yours, unless you grant others permission to use it.
ReplyDeleteI hope that the original musician gets his dues.
I agree with anonymous above. It's one thing if you sample 2 bars of Herbie Hancock pretty much un-altered. Everyone'll know and you're gonna have to pay his ass.
ReplyDeleteHe's taking advantage of the fact that this guy's unknown and figuring he'll get away with using a whole 4 bars, and is claiming it as his own. That's just slimy.
Unfortunately, if Tempest sues, he's gonna have an uphill battle against the expensive record label lawyers...
I was a little cold in my second comment above but I do believe the guy should have just not said anything and immediately sued the guy.
ReplyDeleteObviously hip hop artists rip off snippets and sometime whole melodies from other artists BUT in the cases where they're ripping off whole melodies whereas the song is pretty much a remix of the original those original artists ARE getting royalties off those songs - many times the record company for the original artist probably sent the tracking tapes to the hip hop artist in the first place (think puff daddy)...In the cases where they're just taking small clips as a rhythmic element or partial stuff then that's pretty much a different story.
In this case this guy got ripped off. As far as copyright he already has copyright. The orgininal recording is copyright. The fact that it won some competition on a specific date several years ago proves he's the copyright owner. You don't send anything in to the copyright place - you own the material just by having dated proof that you composed it. They used to advise you to mail your own master to yourself and not to open the envelope and keep that as dated proof that you are the copyright owner.
...and he's not ripping off 2 bars or 4 bars. That song is 4/4, that melody is 16 bars long! The third clip in that youtube video plainly shows the whole progression is used...
ReplyDeleteOn the complete other end of the spectrum you have this.
ReplyDeleteThat incident single handedly killed the Rolling Stones for me. I can't listen to them the same way anymore. When I hear any of their music, I just think about how messed up that was. What's really odd is that to this day, I can't hear the similarity between the two songs at all. If anyone out there can, let me know. I keep thinking it wasn't actually "The Last Time" but another track. The sample used by The Verve was a sample of an orchestra playing the Rolling Stones song, so of course it sounds different, but I still can't hear the connection. Does anyone know what specific hook or melody it was?
Okies I've had my dued scare as well. Apparently I did a Roland SH101 sound clip of a patch (because my SH101 was modified with patchbays by Analogue Solutions)... This was quite sometime back. But I was informed by my friend that it was on a sound effects website (can't remember which one)... under free sound effects online... and my SH101 clip was in the "horror sounds" section. :S
ReplyDeleteTha's quite farnie though. I didn't really mind because at least they credited me. But it was a scare simply because they used it even without informing the creator. Well... I mean for someone from a tiny island call Singapore... that's really quite a scare to find your stuffs taken without consent. I wasn't expecting to get paid because I've loaded it up anyway so it's in the "public domain". But just felt that sometimes people just take it for granted...
timberland is a thief and should be held accountable i can’t believe anyone would think otherwise some of you are just crazy.
ReplyDeleteas for the stones thing it wasn't them that sued the verve it was the owners of the publishing rights. the stones don't own anything. that article is twisted and forgot to mention that the stones publicly stated that they we're sorry for the trouble and loved the track and if they could do anything they would but they didn't have any of the ownership. also i believe that commercials were made in order to pay the guy off, i believe it was the labels idea. its just the dickhead publisher that was out for money. so you don't have to hate them for that. you should just give up on them like they gave up on making good music after brian jones died : )
Regarding the Stones. If that's true, that's awesome news to me. If you can find anything to support that let me know. I do remember seeing a clip where Keith Richards commented on how they literally took the complete sample and played it throughout the song. He didn't mention anything about being apologetic or not being behind the situation
ReplyDeleteTimbaland must be a dickhead for thinking he could get away with this without anyone noticing, that demo track is pretty well known, ok he may get away without paying but he comes off like a cock for passing off someone elses work as his own.
ReplyDeleteIf I were the original composer, I'd change my name to timbalord and release it again with timbalands drums and call it "cock party" parodying his ringtone "block party"
i saw them myself on tv, news of some kind probably some mtv shit in the states, saying that they wish they could help them out but that they didn't own the rights and the publisher was a dick or something. oh and that the song was great. also that a bunch of bands and little companies were going to use the song to get the band enough money to cover the debts, thus the commercials.
ReplyDeletei wouldn't even know where to start to looking, it doesn't matter to me if you like the stones, i don't anymore, but you had said that it mattered to you so i threw it in there. i'm sure there is something somewhere
French Producers kamikartel ( kaize & Young Mike) are better than him lol
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