Looks like a TENORI-ON vid is up on the Yamaha site. Title link takes you there. It's on the bottom right.
via Robert:
"New Tenori-on info gleaned from the new videos, mp3s, and text:
* Tenori-on is made of metal
* It can sample
* A cat has already been photographed with one
* It comes in a nice box
* Every demo doesn't have to sound like Elektroplankton
* Yamaha says they are "test marketing" it in the UK before deciding to sell it elsewhere.
I think the cat photo and the brief box porn in one of the videos are deliberately trying to get you, Matrix, excited about it."
Be sure to check out the "Interview with Musicians" link for more.
Sunday, August 12, 2007
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BLOODY CATS!
ReplyDeleteARRRGH!
I love how they're all mezmorized by the light show and making similar music. In their defense it looks like they only had the thing in their hands for about 20 min before they started shooting the videos.
ReplyDeleteside note: New tools like this, the MachineDrum, etc... allow IDM to be made by the masses. Its not just for Max/MSP heads.
can one order this thing online?
ReplyDeleteanyone here able to buy one on my behalf and ship it to me?
knowing its not made of cheap plastic helps justify the cost a bit more and after seeing the second o'rourke video http://www.global.yamaha.com/tenori-on/interview/artist01/index.html and trying to guess how the controls are working i'm a little more impressed with it as an interface. i wonder, on a synth level, is it actually editable or are you stuck with all presets? i'd imagine not at that price but there has not been a single mention of editability? (which isn’t a real word?)
ReplyDeletealso finally a sequencer that you can turn on its side and interact with the music going forwards out in front of you and not side scrolling. live got close but this might finally break that line
What will be the approximative retail retail price of this gadget guys?
ReplyDeleteBecause its metal,am interested...
i think steve reich would have killed for one of these in the 60s.
ReplyDeletei'm sure whomever will be selling it in the UK will gladly ship it to the US. as they say on eBay... BUT IT NOW!
I can't believe people can gaze upon this marvel of technology, in form of a potentially infinite musical canvas, and have such petty thought cross their minds - how much?
ReplyDeleteyou disgust me.
I'm rather perplexed about the excitement this thing is generating.
ReplyDeleteI'm making some assumptions given that this is coming from Yamaha and we have limited information available, so bear this in mind.
It looks like a closed system.
If you're excited about it as a control surface, what, exactly, are you expecting it to do? Output MIDI?
Ha.
Ha ha.
If you're excited about it as a self-contained performance object, how 'inside' can you get? I would expect there is some software environment where you can tweak sounds, and set up generators and such, but again, this is a closed system. How could it approach the programmability of an mature environment like Max?
When you have a surface like this, you're going to need some serious software smarts running things behind it. Anything suitably interesting is going to get complex quickly which will be hidden and non-editable to the end user. Therefore, I see it as an electro music curio; a musical gameboy for dilettantes. Jesus. Look at the hipster photos. I can't wait until I see someone in Starbucks with one, next to an iPhone.
...unless Yamaha proves me wrong and provides a public API and encourages hack-ability. Then I'm interested.
I'm not holding my breath.
It isn't an instrument you want to perform with, because watching someone play one is BORING.
ReplyDeleteIt isn't an instrument you will want to record with because everything it produces sounds like TENORI-ON, no matter who is pressing the buttons.
I'm sure it is a lot of fun to play with personally, but I wouldn't have any illusions about what you're doing, or what you'd ultimately end up with.
But, Kudos to Yamaha for producing something really different. I wish more manufacturers would take a chance on something new like this.
yes they have already said it has midi, a huge sound set, a sampler and an SD card slot, oh and stupid speakers, maybe more?. no its not being marketed at the groovebox / electribe kids. its being made for actual musicians. i'd guess that there will be a librarian software release used to program onboard sounds, but if not then there will be a pedestrian librarian made soon enough i'm sure. but thats only if they do in fact made it editable.
ReplyDeleteprice as listed in other threads and in the video is around 500 euros wasn't it? so we'd need to wait for the dollar to get stronger anyway.
yes they have already said it has midi, a huge sound set, a sampler and an SD card slot, oh and stupid speakers, maybe more?. no its not being marketed at the groovebox / electribe kids. its being made for actual musicians. i'd guess that there will be a librarian software release used to program onboard sounds, but if not then there will be a pedestrian librarian made soon enough i'm sure. but thats only if they do in fact made it editable.
ReplyDeleteprice as listed in other threads and in the video is around 500 euros wasn't it? so we'd need to wait for the dollar to get stronger anyway.
Yes, I know it will output MIDI, but my point is: so what?
ReplyDeleteA key = a MIDI note or something? What do the lights do? Light up and then shut down when you take your finger off?
The monome 40h allows the user to control the LEDs and switches to create toggles, radio groups, momentary switches or anything you can imagine. You can't do this with a simple MIDI output.
People need to think this through. MIDI is not the answer. It needs an open API.
not saying that midi is the answer. that's moronic. but have you even watched the videos to see how the onboard sequencer works?
ReplyDeletepitting this against the monome is dumb in my opinion. the cats digging into the monome are hardcore and need the open ended-ness of it. a less max/ inclined individual can’t just pick up a monome and start writing music without deep time investments
and i can't afford either of them so i feel odd arguing either side.
In Tenori-on's defense, it looks like it does output midi. That means that as a step-sequencer, this thing is great. Control what you like and sequence it all with ease with the on board sequencer - which looks great and with the added L and R buttons, you can do lots of cool things (loop points, transposing etc).
ReplyDeleteIt definitely doesn't have to sound like Elektroplankton once you output it to something else, and you can sample stuff too although it's limited.
It sends midi note on/off. It doesn’t send CC’s or NRPN or anything other than notes. You can’t tweak the internal sounds, the sampling is straight playback (no envelopes, filters or effects) and the only effects are global chorus and reverb. Sampling time is 0.95 seconds per voice.
Price is now expected to be £600 / $1200.
Elektron Monomachine is about $1766.
Monome with 256 buttons is expected to cost $1400. 128 buttons - $800 and 64 - $450
Monome looks to be better for some of it's other abilities via software such as the sample cut up thing, but it's possible something similar can be done with Tenori-on in one of it's modes and the right software setup.
Value-wise as a step-sequencer, I think the Tenori-On wins with it's 256 buttons plus 10 side buttons for $1200.
That said, I might prefer a Monome 128 for $800 and that software you can use with it!
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