MATRIXSYNTH: Why does the Juno-60 sound different from the Juno-106?


Wednesday, October 15, 2008

Why does the Juno-60 sound different from the Juno-106?

Juno-60 diagram on top
via Sequence 15
"So let's start by getting a couple of things on the board out front. The VCO, VCF, and VCA circuits are nearly identical. "How can you say that", you might ask, "when the 106 uses those 80017A's that keep failing, and the 60 doesn't?" Consider: The 60 uses a VCF filter circuit based on the IR3109 quad OTA. It uses a BA662 VCA to control the resonance. A second BA662 serves as the voice's VCA proper. As for the 106? The notorious 80017A is really just an encapsulation of three ICs and some resistors. The IC's? An IR3109 and a pair of BA662s! It's the same circuit, just in a smaller package. A lot of people don't realize that when you look at an ordinary IC, most of what you see is packaging; the actual integrated circuit is a tiny bit of silica embedded in the plastic. Roland bought a bunch of unpackaged 3109s and 662s and had someone encapsulate them, and voila, the 80017A was born. Similarly, the Juno-60's DCO circuit: the counter IC that times the DCO, the reset transistor, and the wave shaping circuitry are encapsulated into the much-less-infamous (because it seldom fails) MC5534 in the Juno-106. The voice circuits are, for all practical purposes, the same." So why do they sound different? Check out Sequence 15 for the full post.

3 comments:

  1. A good analysis!

    I would have said that the digitally generated eg's in the 106 vs the super fast analogue egs in the 60 make most of the difference in sound character.

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  2. QFTLA:

    "Maybe I'll have to get a 60 so I can compare them myself."

    okay so this person just admitted they have no experience with the 60.

    i've owned all three. the 6 and the 60 sounded the same. the 106 sounded completely different.

    also i rarely use the chorus, so my preference for the 6 has nothing to do with that.

    why is it?

    interface? digital bullshit? what is it?

    i have no idea, and this didn't change it.

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  3. Justin, what about pads, where the envelope doesn't matter much? Do they sound different? I've heard a lot of people say they do.

    STG, I've seen your posts for a long time on the Dotcom mailing list and other places. I have more respect for you than that. How about returning the favor?

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