Via Tony Allgood:"The new issue Oakley Superladder filter printed circuit boards have now arrived and we are now taking orders. Details, pricing and samples here. Sorry but we are not offering ready made units as yet. Although, I do have a pre-populated PCB up for grabs right now. See the above page for details on that."
There is a 1U and 3U version. 3U pictured.
3U - is it frackrack or eurorack or something otherwise?
ReplyDeleteMOTM format.
ReplyDeletepshaw. the stupidest, most rapidly dying format. what were they thinking? if only there were a sustainable business model behind MOTM format.
ReplyDeleteRIP to the 5U MOTM, and curses to Paul S.
actually, isn't it in whatever format you want? oakley modular only sells pcbs and pots.
ReplyDelete> pshaw. the stupidest, most rapidly dying format. what were they thinking?
ReplyDeleteEveryone's slowly pricing themselves out of the grasp of amateurs who are their main income sources. When Paul stops supplying kits, MOTM in 5U will cease to be profitable.
> actually, isn't it in whatever format you want?
Sure, but it's a hell of a lot more work.
"Everyone's slowly pricing themselves out of the grasp of amateurs who are their main income sources."
ReplyDeleteIn other words, everyone is leading themselves out of business. A practise perfected by the clannish stupidity of Paul S. Seems like some people like Peter G. think it's an act worth following.
Why are such nice products designed by such ignorant, foul people?
> Why are such nice products designed by such ignorant, foul people?
ReplyDeleteThey just need to work on their quoted delivery times, that's all. I could care less about the personalities.
>They just need to work on their quoted delivery times, that's all. I could care less about the personalities.
ReplyDeleteHear, hear. This isn't a comment about Oakley. I have no experience there. Just a grumble about another company. If you are going to advertise something is 'in stock', it ought to be on the shelf ready to ship. And then when the customer is given two different dates which aren't met, there ought to be an email apologizing, or refund the credit card/paypal payment until they ship. Now that I think about it, they shouldn't charge until they ship.
Anonymous because I want to get my stuff eventually...
ooooh, you must be talking MOTM ;)
ReplyDeletewhat a debacle Paul has given us over the last few years.
Come on folks. This is all business as usual. Be grateful for the variety that is available to us right now. I too have had to wait to get gear just like everybody else. This is part of the way things work in the synth business world. Get used to it. Or build your own stuff from scratch.
ReplyDeleteactually no, there's a HUGE difference between what's "available" and what's truly actually available from theses companies.
ReplyDeleteI think if (some of them) could clean up their act they would have to spend less time moaning and complaining to their customers about how tough it is to be them.
> I think if (some of them) could clean up their act they would have to spend less time moaning and complaining to their customers about how tough it is to be them.
ReplyDeleteWhy is it the ones that say "you are lucky that I am even here" always are the ones that have delivery issues?
>"Come on folks. This is all business as usual. Be grateful for the variety that is available to us right now. I too have had to wait to get gear just like everybody else. This is part of the way things work in the synth business world. Get used to it. Or build your own stuff from scratch."
ReplyDeleteThis is exactly the huge negative impact these irresponsible businesses have on the community. It is assumed that you will screw over your customers if you produce analog synthesizers, especially modular. The customers are told to "Get used to it". This is simply driving customers away from the already small market, and making it even harder for legitimate businesses to survive. The community as a whole is suffering because less customers are buying, and less businesses can survive. i personally know of people that have reluctantly switched to software for this exact reason, and its a sad trend created by a handfull of businesses who ruin it for the rest.
p.s. to my knowledge oakley is not one of them, but i dont really know much about them specifically.
BTW, Matrix...
ReplyDeleteWhy did your no anonymous bashing rule apply to the Bay Area AH Gathering post and not to this one?
> Why did your no anonymous bashing rule apply to the Bay Area AH Gathering post and not to this one?
ReplyDeleteI expect even God can't be everywhere at once.
To be fair to some of these guys, the analog boutique manufacturers have been hit by a lot of pot shots over the past few years:
ReplyDelete* The rapid industry transition to ultra-high-pitch SMD devices. This makes it difficult to design a kit that a reasonably competent amateur, not equipped with a reflow oven or a pick-n-place machine, can build.
* The near-extinction of the commercial OTA. To my knowledge, only the 13700 is still in production, and that isn't one of the better designs.
* The RoHS burden. Enough has been written about it already, so I won't start that debate again. I will just note this: of all of the North American manufacturers, the only one currently supporting short delivery times is the one that has not announced a plan for RoHS compliance (Dotcom).
* The MOTM format was particularly hard hit by Larry Hendry's death, which along with a few other events killed Stooge Industries.
Me personally... I don't want to see large-format die. I have large hands; I hate the fiddly, crowded knobs found on most small-format panels, and the unreliable, fragile 3.5mm jacks. I'm a bit agnostic on whether it's MOTM, Dotcom, or Modcan/Cynthia.
> of all of the North American manufacturers, the only one currently supporting short delivery times
ReplyDeleteLivewire, Blacet, Modcan, Bananalogue, Paia, Bridechamber?
What's this about OTA's disappearing? That's news to me.
ReplyDeleteSynthbaron: I meant of the large-format manufacturers. My understanding (I haven't ordered anything from them yet myself) is that it takes several months to get anything from Modcan, which is about on a par with Synth Tech. Cynthia is even longer. My experience with Dotcom is that they fill individual module orders in a week or so.
ReplyDeleteHas Blacet or PAiA said anything about RoHS? I'll have to go search. Is Livewire delivering anything yet? Last I heard they were still in the pre-order stage.
Dotkor: The OTAs most commonly used in synth circuits since about the mid-70s have been:
* NE5571
* 13600
* 13700
* CA3080
* CA3280
* SSM something-or-other (2040?)
Of these, only the 13700 has remained in production over the past five years. Most synth people consider the 3280 and the SSM the best-performing designs, and the 3080 the most versatile design. Intersil dropped the 3080 a couple of years ago, promising that the 3280 would remain in production, then they turned around and dropped the 3280. The 5571 went out of production after a Phillips fab in France burned down (although I've heard that it is now being produced by On Semiconductor). Some circuit designers are saying that it's time for the DIY community to get back to building OTAs out of discrete components, but besides being a pain, it requires matched transistors. Now, the easiest way to get matched transistors is to buy them as an integrated circuit, like say the CA3260 -- but those are going out of production too. We're regressing. Soon we are going to be back to where Bob Moog and Phillip Dodds were in 1970, buying bags of transistors (assuming you can still get them in some form of packaging that's larger than a flyspeck), and hand-matching them up.
> Soon we are going to be back to where Bob Moog and Phillip Dodds were in 1970, buying bags of transistors (assuming you can still get them in some form of packaging that's larger than a flyspeck), and hand-matching them up.
ReplyDeleteAt least we have parts with much tighter tolerances and digital equipement to test it with. Out of a bag of 100 2n3904 transistors, very few varied more than 2mv of each other. I don't think Paul even matches the transistors for the discrete OTA's in his 440 SSM-2040 clone? Or does he use SSM matched pairs in there, I forget.
There's "plenty" of commercially available matched pairs, but they are no longer cheap. I bought a hundred or so of Mil-Spec CA3045's on the cheap hoping to use them in kit projects, but everyone has since redesigned their boards because the part has been obsoleted! Oh well.
NE5517's are being manufactured again (I've gotten samples), but people on S-DIY say they weren't as good as the old Philips ones.
"BTW, Matrix...
ReplyDeleteWhy did your no anonymous bashing rule apply to the Bay Area AH Gathering post and not to this one?"
The AH comments were personal jabs.
> The AH comments were personal jabs.
ReplyDeleteI read the post before it was deleted, and I wouldn't call it a "personal" jab. I'm paraphrasing here, but it was a quip about Peter giving an excuse not to go to the AH meeting because clients who have been waiting for a long delivery of their product might show up and give him the third degree.
However, I think "curses to Paul S." qualifies, no?
"clannish stupidity of Paul S" ?
Rules is rules. If you're going to have, at least apply them equally and properly.
Synthbaron, I have no idea why I entertain you, but here it goes. The comment that made me remove it was the comment on Tim, questioning the value of his first neice being born. I remember my first neice and it was pretty important to me. If he wants to put family first, more power to him. And btw, this is my site. This is not some corporate site run by a bunch of people. It's my personal and private site, so I do get to make the rules and the rules are never black and white. Personally I think they are pretty damn liberable compared to some other sites.
ReplyDeleteNothing I didn't expect, "Matrix".
ReplyDeleteWell there you go.
ReplyDeleteWell, 25 comments later and I still don't have my module.
ReplyDeleteWaaa.
Funny. Well, we better keep commenting then. : )
ReplyDeleteJust so it's clear why I did not remove the comments above, they are complaints about a given situation we know to be true. Paul did stop the DIY kits. If someone is frustrated by it, and wants to comment, so be it. The anonymous comments about not receiving modules did not call out a specific manufacturer so we aren't left questioning if the comment was made by someone with a personal vendetta. Also there is value in these comments. What is it? Buy from a dealer like Analogue Haven who can guarantee the item is in stock.