Monday, April 14, 2008
Stupid Atheist Tricks, Part 1: "I used to be a Christian"
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You can see the "non synth" write-up for this video on the top right, under the More link, here.
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wtf.
ReplyDeletematrix, this video is completely inappropriate.
ReplyDeletei mean, it's your blog, but don't you know where to draw the line?
The answer is, "No."
ReplyDeleteWhat's the question?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=BNf-P_5u_Hw
ReplyDeletehttp://youtube.com/watch?v=qc-mrJf45Hg&feature=related
http://youtube.com/watch?v=IjAegPhQOUg&feature=related
Hey, I did used to be christian, Then i read the bible. That made me throw it out the window. I also studied religions relelntlessly over my life.
The above is a great starting point!
He's quite the ambassador of christianity.
ReplyDeleteI would have preferred that he made his synthesizer analogies with a Beamz Music Performance System™ rather than a Moog synth, though.
Faith in fantastic and supernatural beings is basically a default. Primitive man believed in all manner of monsters and beasties and as we climbed out of the primordial ooze we shed most of our superstitions. Is a child lying when they are scared of the boogeyman?
ReplyDeleteoh yeah, I used to be a christian, and there is no god.
And I was born and raised an atheist, converted to Christianity, and over the next seven years gradually came to the realisation that I couldn't continue to try to believe stuff that just didn't make any sense to me or have any correspondence with the reality I saw around me.
ReplyDeleteYet I'm fine with Christians, in general; aside from the fundies, by and large they're a decent bunch trying to do what's right in the world (hey, a bit like... atheists! what a surprise!)
What really makes me incensed is the whole stupid "you didn't really get it" argument. Believe that if you want, but if you stick it in my face, be prepared for the hand that will very soon be introducing itself to yours... and if that doesn't do the job, be prepared for a lightning tour of all the bits of Christianity you'd rather forget about. Because I know them, and I know how much you hate that - but you'll have earned it by just being intolerably fucking rude.
(And as for whether this video is appropriate or not - depends. Is the purpose of this blog to discuss synths, or is it to provoke flamewars and piss people off? The more I see of the world, the more I begin to wonder if the second explanation is the only one that makes sense, for any public forum.
ReplyDeleteMaybe that's a good thing. I mean, sure, we all say we like consensus, but it's only through conflict and disagreement that any progress happens, any new ideas come about, etc. I just wish that people could be a bit honest. But then "matrixsynth: giving succour to trolls since 2003, and by the way we're quite keen on synths too" wouldn't have quite the same ring to it, would it?)
One last point, because I just can't help it - the true source of evil in the world is not being able to follow up the observation of "Wow, you completely disagree with me in almost everything I say!" with the sentiment "How cool is that?"
ReplyDeleteI think there's a good reason for the "WTF" tag. :)
ReplyDeleteI used to believe in Santa Claus, and then I didn't. It wasn't a "stupid Christmas trick" - it was a change of understanding and knowledge due to new evidence.
I've never been religious, but I know plenty of people who used to be Christian. One of them started a Masters in Biology, and emerged from the program a strong agnostic/weak atheist.
In a sense, you could say that new evidence and knowledge "upgrades" our internal parts.
I want to believe... in Santa Claus! *<:o)
ReplyDeleteI prefer to keep my internet experience relatively religion free...
ReplyDeletePowerful analogy.
ReplyDeleteJesus also taught "beware those that come with MIDI and presets..."
What a rambling load of total nonsense! This guy lays down a few terms like "logical fallacy" and "argument from ignorance" and then immediately dives in to the most confusing, unfocused, poorly argued points I've ever heard. The synthesizer analogy just makes it even more confusing.
ReplyDeleteSir, on the off chance that you are reading these comments, please accept this advice to help you argue a point:
-First, HAVE a point.
-Second, don't try to wing it. Plan exactly what you're going to say. Give it some structure. Write it down. You may think you can improvise it, but don't flatter yourself.
-Maybe do a little research on what a proper argument sounds like. Philosophy buzzwords don't automatically make your words intelligible.
Thanks for the laugh though. It doesn't surprise me that a guy who believes in God has a poor understanding of logic.
As a devout Pastafarian, I take issue with this post.
ReplyDeleteArrrr!
– Chris
Haha, ol' Bob Weigel.
ReplyDeletehexfix93, so right you are...yess!! And to that guy in the video, I never was christian or anything and I'm an atheist so:
ReplyDelete"Ta putain de bible, tu peux te l'insérer dans le cul et aller abuser de jeunes enfants avec tes amis, membres du clergé...
You're a disgrace to synths, stay away from them!
gggrrrrrrr....
I think I have evil Crumar parts inside...
ReplyDeleteHail CRUMAR, son of YOG-SOTHOTH and she who's name shall not be uttered!
Ia! Ia! Crumar!
this post is all Bush's fault....
ReplyDelete"I run and jump over things"
ReplyDeleteThats entertainment right there..
This guy is awesome
ReplyDeleteBAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!
ReplyDeletei just love watching these moonies trying to be all intelectual. Its like watching the special olympics on really good mushrooms.
A wise man once said 'faith means not wanting to know what is true'
I guess the ability to form cohesive arguments is another side affect.
Makes me glad im a pastafarian!
I bought a yamaha C1 off ebay from this guy. I love moog based sermons.
ReplyDeleteLOL @ Gerald
ReplyDeleteSpawn from the depths of R'elay!
Hey guys. My friend Alex pointed me to this one and said I should make a personal visit. Hehe. MURRAY. I'm going to make an example of you. No hard feelings 'ol chum. But...
ReplyDelete----you say (you realize that when it starts like that..it's all over...right? :-) )
First, HAVE a point.
----I say
This is a standard ad hominem attack. CONstructive reply DEMANDS (in the court of logic..thank you.) that a person cite a rigorous analysis laying down a foundation for such a comment... or shut it up.
-----you continue
-Second, don't try to wing it. Plan exactly what you're going to say.
----- I say
I always wing it. And in doing so have probably made more people think than anyone in the history of the internet. I mean... posting hours a day for 22 years? It adds up :-) If you HAVE some specific rebuttal..make it or shut up Murray. Dig? You're boring me but like I say...every thread needs someone to be made an example of. And you just happened to be the guy this time because you had the biggest mouth.
Anyway..what's the point of going on. ALL you did is repeat the same ad hominem attack form. YOU try to STEALTH an ad hominem attack inside of 'constructive help'...except..the help has no specific correlation to anything that I SAID! All you are doing is talking down to me. Get a clue. HERE IS MY CONSTRUCTIVE HELP FOR YOU.
When constructing a rebuttal, identify something specific. That way the person doesn't have to guess about what it is you are attacking. THEN post whatever it is you think is wrong it. Whether that be by a logical proof of inconsistency internally, or with some known external fact. Or whatever.
You used to post in rec.music.synth didn't you? How's it been going? hehe. Guess not to good since you are wasting your time attacking people's work second hand in a blog! :-) haheeaaaaa! Oh mannnn. I'm doing a whole series. A couple more going up right now. Enjoy.
Thank god I'm atheist...
ReplyDeleteOne of the most insane things about the discussion on YouTube is that anyone bringing up an analogy (like Santa) or a comparison with another religion, he says that they shouldn't since it's off topic...
ReplyDelete...and yet he can use a ridiculous analogy comparing manufactured, measurable physical items and a conscious, unmeasurable mental state - belief.
It's beyond absurd that a relevant comparison with belief (Santa, other religions) isn't "allowed", but an entirely irrelevant one is.
"every thread needs someone to be made an example of. And you just happened to be the guy this time because you had the biggest mouth."
ReplyDeleteWow. So much vindictiveness (no turning the other cheek here!) and dishonesty (...) in one sentence.
Sorry, sweetie, but you aren't even a good Christian, let alone a good evangelist.
As a gay, socialist, vegetarian atheist (not joking), I can think of nobody more appropriate to represent Christianity than this guy. A religion in which a god would create people in his image, love them, manage everything according to his plan, then send the people he created to a hell for succumbing to the imperfections he gave them has found its perfect spokesperson.
ReplyDeleteI love the word "moonies," by the way.
didnt care for the video. but jesus was an OK guy by me. he borrowed the ideas of the buddha, who preceeded him by 600 years or so, and i think the buddha was an OK guy too.
ReplyDeletei think that jesus would have been upset about being deified. just like bob moog.
OH C'MON PLEASE STOP ALL THIS PATHETIC RUBBISH
ReplyDelete& LET'S KEEP MATRIXSYNTH A SYNTH SITE
Matrix, I wanna hear it from you. Why are you posting this stuff? Just for the hell of it? Or do you actually agree with this guy?
ReplyDeleteIt's certainly caused me to question my own convictions.
ReplyDeleteAm I truly Pastafarian if His noodly appendage has not touched my heart in the appropriately intimate manner prescribed for eternal salvation?
Even after all my work on His behalf, am I still doomed to an eternal existence of stale beer?
I can never again exclaim "Carbo Diem!" with the same doubtless conviction I had before absorbing Bob's teachings.
Dang.
I'll comment on Inside Synthesis' comment to provide some clarification also:
ReplyDelete----he said
One of the most insane things about the discussion on YouTube is that anyone bringing up an analogy (like Santa) or a comparison with another religion, he says that they shouldn't since it's off topic...
-----I say
The aspects of the analogy that they are trying to apply are invalid. I specifically detailed this with regard to "Santa" in one of my replies. The problem is people tend to HIDE behind those kinds of things which appear initially to have substance.
However when you break things down to terms it's a total apple/orange comparison in terms of the aspect they are trying to apply.
FOr instance Santa comes in three main flavors. 1) Saint Nicholas 2) Folkloric reports (these occur in many remote cultures. Check out the book 'Elves, Gnomes,..' and something. I can't recall. ANyway it documents the folklore of many remote cultures and it's curious how many have a Santa like character who is always this..mischievious elf who rewards/punishes people based on some unknown standard of good/evil! (Sounds like..ahem...a demon to me) and 3) A silly known myth generated to amuse children and instill them with a sense of awe until they find out it's just their hum-drum parents :-)
Ok anyway, pick a Santa, any Santa. St. Nich existed. So..that one's a wash. 2) is open to anyone's speculation. Maybe this character DOES exist. Who's to say? He..sure shows up in a lot of remote cultures! 3) A known fable. Hence not to be compared with a well established historical character like Jesus Christ.
So why should I waste time with crud like this?
-----he said
...and yet he can use a ridiculous analogy comparing manufactured, measurable physical items and a conscious, unmeasurable mental state - belief.
---I say
I stated the aspects that I was comparing. I never indicated that I thought any of the spiritual aspects were physically measurable by physical senses.
Perhaps you are just to dull to understand a useful analogy. NO ANALOGY can be applied in ALL aspects. Else wise it wouldn't be an analogy. It would be the subject :-). IT IS UP TO YOU to LISTEN to the analogy giver and DISCERN WHICH aspects he is trying to CORRELATE FROM the analogy.
Class....dismissed. Please learn from this excerpt and apply it. Show me WHERE I tried to imply that anything in the spirit realm could be measured with physical senses please. Or retract the absurd statement. Thanks.
NOTE....Jesus himself used MANY physical examples to express physical concepts. Anybody with a heart understands that he wasn't trying to say that heaven was made of dirt and grapevines. Please.
Continuing this conversation with Bob would be like arguing via Babelfish translation, or attempting a dialogue with a wedge of cheese. There just doesn't seem to be a conscious mind on the other end that's speaking the same language.
ReplyDeleteBut good luck, Bob, with your future efforts.
Even if the only person you manage to persuade is yourself, you can comfort yourself with the knowledge that you're truly "unique".
Jesus never existed. It is a hoax, a myth.
ReplyDeleteSounddoctorin,
ReplyDeleteYou're boring me but like I say...every thread needs someone to be made an example of. And you just happened to be the guy this time because you had the biggest mouth.
I'm glad you read my comments, although I'm sure you're bored by anyone's words but your own. I'm also glad you decided to make an example of me. I doubt I'm the one here with the biggest mouth, but we'll let the readers decide.
Since you're obviously quite stupid, let me spell something out to you without the pretense of being helpful (since I doubt you ever take constructive criticisms to heart anyway): I have no rebuttal to your statement because there was no discernible point to be found anywhere within your rambling, inane (and not just a little smug) video. I actually enjoy presenting arguments on matters such as religion. In this case, the WAY in which you stated your point was the biggest problem, so that's what I addressed. Take it or leave it.
Again, thanks for the laugh. I really do appreciate it.